Legislature(2007 - 2008)SENATE FINANCE 532

05/10/2007 09:00 AM Senate FINANCE


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+= HB 229 KENAI GASIFICATION PROJECT; RAILROAD BOND TELECONFERENCED
Moved SCS CSHB 229(FIN) Out of Committee
+ SB 144 TOURISM CONTRACT MATCHING FUNDS TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
+ HB 238 OIL & HAZARD SUBSTANCE RESPONSE ACCOUNT TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
+ HB 162 MORTGAGE LENDING TELECONFERENCED
Scheduled But Not Heard
+ Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled TELECONFERENCED
10:11:32 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     CS FOR SENATE BILL NO. 144(STA)                                                                                            
     "An  Act  relating  to  matching   funds  in  state  tourism                                                               
     marketing  contracts with  trade associations;  establishing                                                               
     the  Alaska  Tourism  Marketing   Funding  Task  Force;  and                                                               
     providing for an effective date."                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
This was  the first hearing for  this bill in the  Senate Finance                                                               
Committee.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
10:11:51 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MARIT  CARLSON-VON DORT,  Staff  to Senator  Lesil McGuire,  read                                                               
portions of the sponsor statement  [copy on file] into the record                                                               
as follows.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     In 2001 the State of  Alaska privatized the functions of the                                                               
     tourism  marketing program  by contracting  with the  Alaska                                                               
     Travel   Industry   Association.   Prior  to   the   current                                                               
     structure,  Alaska's  travel  industry  was  promoted  by  a                                                               
     membership organization which was  comprised of both private                                                               
     sector and  State officials. Since that  time the Department                                                               
     of   Commerce,  Community   and  Economic   Development  has                                                               
     contracted with  the Alaska  Travel Industry  Association to                                                               
     design  and implement  Alaska's  tourism marketing  program.                                                               
     State  statute  currently  requires  50/50  matching  funds;                                                               
     State  general funds  matched by  private industry  dollars.                                                               
     The recent passage of the  travel industry taxes has had the                                                               
     dual  effect  of  generating  significant  revenues  to  the                                                               
     State's   general  funds,   and   also   the  potential   of                                                               
     eliminating  the viability  of  voluntarily raising  private                                                               
     sector  dollars  required to  meet  that  50 percent  match.                                                               
     Without the  commitment of the  cruise industry  funding the                                                               
     Alaska    Travel   Industry    Association's   ability    to                                                               
     successfully  market Alaska  and compete  with travelers  in                                                               
     the   national   and   worldwide  marketplace   is   greatly                                                               
     compromised, particularly with  respect to those independent                                                               
     travelers, those people  that are coming to  Alaska on their                                                               
     own via the  Alcan highway or flying into  our airports, and                                                               
     this  is a  particular area  of visitors  that has  remained                                                               
     relatively stagnant  and even declined  in the  last several                                                               
     years.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
10:13:40 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Carlson-Von Dort continued her testimony as follows.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Senate  Bill  144 will  allow  Alaska's  travel industry  to                                                               
     continue to receive State funds  by temporarily changing the                                                               
     statutory  match  required in  AS  44.33.125  from 50/50  to                                                               
     70/30.This  change  will be  repealed  on  July 1  of  2008.                                                               
     Additionally,  Senate Bill  144  will create  a nine  member                                                               
     task  force operating  from  September  through December  of                                                               
     2007 to  investigate long term marketing  funding solutions.                                                               
     This  task  force would  be  made  up  of one  House  member                                                               
     appointed by the Speaker [of  the House of Representatives],                                                               
     one Senate  member, appointed by  the Senate  President, two                                                               
     members  of  the  Alaska Travel  Industry  Association,  two                                                               
     members  of  the  cruise  industry,   which  would  both  be                                                               
     appointed  by their  respective  organizations, one  member,                                                               
     which  would   be  the   Governor's  Special   Assistant  to                                                               
     Commerce,  one   member  of  the  Department   of  Commerce,                                                               
     Community and  Economic Development, to be  appointed by the                                                               
     Governor,  as well  as one  member  to be  appointed at  the                                                               
     Governor's  discretion. This  task  force  shall submit  its                                                               
     findings  and  recommendations  to   the  Governor  and  the                                                               
     legislature by  the 30th day  of the second  regular session                                                               
     of the 25th Alaska State Legislature.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     The purpose of  this temporary statutory change  would be to                                                               
     insure  the  maintenance  of   the  Alaska  Travel  Industry                                                               
     Association's  marketing budget,  therefore maintaining  and                                                               
     stabilizing  visitor numbers  while allowing  the State  and                                                               
     the industry to  better evaluate how the  cruise industry is                                                               
     going  to  participate, will  or  will  not participate,  in                                                               
     additional funding. Tourism,  as I'm sure you  all know, Mr.                                                               
     Chairman, has proven to be  a tremendous economic engine for                                                               
     the State. It is one  of Alaska's largest industries with an                                                               
     estimated $2.4  billion annual economic  impact, as  well as                                                               
     being one  of Alaska's leading generators  of employment. It                                                               
     is essential for the State's  economic well-being to support                                                               
     this renewable  resource industry  and foster its  growth. I                                                               
     think that  Senate Bill 144  strikes a very good  balance by                                                               
     helping the  industry continue to market  itself through its                                                               
     time  of  financial  uncertainty, i.e.  this  year,  without                                                               
     mandating  increased State  expenditure. Really,  what we're                                                               
     concerned  about  is  whether   or  not  the  Alaska  Travel                                                               
     Industry is  going to be able  to take advantage of  all the                                                               
     dollars  that  are  currently,   the  $5  million  that  are                                                               
     currently in  the core program  budget. I mean, it  would be                                                               
     certainly a  shame to not  be able to, to  essentially leave                                                               
     those dollars on  the table and not be able  to utilize them                                                               
     to market Alaska.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
10:16:28 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Olson  understood  the  task  force  would  "expire"  on                                                               
December 31 of 2007.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Carlson-Von Dort affirmed.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Senator Olson observed a zero fiscal  note, and asked if the task                                                               
force  would  be able  to  produce  a meaningful  report  without                                                               
funding and in such a short amount of time.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Carlson-Von Dort affirmed, responding  that the Department of                                                               
Commerce,  Community and  Economic Development  had reviewed  the                                                               
fiscal impact.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
10:17:21 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Thomas identified  two  task force  appointees from  the                                                               
Alaska  Travel  Industry  Association  (ATIA) and  two  from  the                                                               
cruise  industry.  He pointed  out  that  the cruise  lines  were                                                               
members of  ATIA, and asked  if there  was a mechanism  to ensure                                                               
that the cruise industry would not  be represented by four of the                                                               
task force members.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Carlson-Von   Dort  understood  that  the   cruise  industry                                                               
representatives  would not  embody  the interests  of ATIA,  thus                                                               
representation would be equally allocated.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
10:18:06 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
PATTI MACKEY, Executive Director,  Ketchikan Visitors Bureau, and                                                               
Chair   of  the   Board  of   Directors,   ATIA,  testified   via                                                               
teleconference from  an offnet location  in Ketchikan  in support                                                               
of  the  bill.   The  proposed  70/30  match  with   a  one  year                                                               
termination  provision  was  the   most  reasonable  proposal  to                                                               
address the current  tourism marketing needs. She  added that the                                                               
composition of  the task force  should be as diverse  as possible                                                               
in order to  best represent tourism in Alaska,  and urged support                                                               
of the bill.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
10:20:46 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHIP  THOMA,  Juneau Resident,  testified  in  opposition to  the                                                               
bill. He provided  written testimony [copy on file]  and read his                                                               
testimony as follows.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     The  state funding  request by  the  Alaska Travel  Industry                                                               
     Association   (ATIA)  is   a  dramatic   change  from   past                                                               
     agreements in  Alaska tourism promotion. Going  from a 50/50                                                               
     percent share to  a 70/30 percent state-industry  split is a                                                               
     fiscal departure  that should be based  both on demonstrated                                                               
     need and a logical advertising  strategy for the future. Yet                                                               
     neither situation  has occurred; it's all  speculative. It's                                                               
     speculative that  the cruise industry  is going to  drop its                                                               
     support, it's speculative  whether ATIA is going  to be able                                                               
     to raise the money. They should be able to.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     The ATIA has failed to make  the case that in the past state                                                               
     appropriations  were well  spent,  or  that increased  70/30                                                               
     funding  is  the simple  answer.  Instead,  ATIA blames  the                                                               
     cruise  ship  initiative  as the  'probable'  cause  of  its                                                               
     funding woes,  while ignoring the obvious  fact that private                                                               
     advertising for  cruises in  Alaska now  tops $70  million a                                                               
     year. Market forces  appear to be working  naturally to make                                                               
     the ATIA irrelevant in the  big picture of advertising for a                                                               
     $2.5 billion  a year  Alaska tourism industry.  ASMI [Alaska                                                               
     Seafood Marketing  Institute] and  other private  Alaska ads                                                               
     may  total  $20 million  more,  bringing  the total  'other'                                                               
     spending on Alaska  tourism to $90 million. That's  a lot of                                                               
     money, and I don't think the  ATIA is going to have one dent                                                               
     in that. All the advertising I  see in the magazines I read,                                                               
     it's all  Holland America, Princess, these  are all fold-out                                                               
     ads. These  people are doing  a lot of advertising.  All the                                                               
     glaciers,  the water,  the kayaks,  the  whales, that's  all                                                               
     cruise ship  type advertising,  and the  ATIA should  not be                                                               
     involved in that and yet they are.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     Governor Jay  Hammond determined the participation  rate for                                                               
     state funding  for new industry  over three decades  ago: no                                                               
     subsidies.  ATIA  should  wake   up,  use  its  considerable                                                               
     marketing skills  to raise monies  for the 50  percent share                                                               
     agreement they  now enjoy,  before it  all dissolves  in the                                                               
     wake of  a wealthy  cruise ship  industry. I  know a  lot of                                                               
     organizations  that hire  fund  raisers and  they have  fund                                                               
     raisers on commission,  and I think the ATIA  would be very,                                                               
     very wise to  bring somebody on board who  really knows what                                                               
     they are  doing, can raise  some money for this  group, give                                                               
     them 10 percent of what they're  going to raise and let them                                                               
     try  to match  that 50/50.  If they  think they  have to  go                                                               
     above $10 million,  then they should raise $5  million or $6                                                               
     million and try to match with that.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Finally, I  hope you  set an  appropriate funding  level and                                                               
     participation rate  by the state  and the  tourism industry.                                                               
     Please  reject SB  144 as  an inappropriate  level of  state                                                               
     tourism  funding,   and  return  to  the   50/50  share  and                                                               
     participation rate.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
10:24:09 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Senator Huggins asked Mr. Thoma's affiliation with ATIA or other                                                                
involved parties.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Thoma   declared  that  he  represented   only  himself.  He                                                               
explained that  his interest in  this issue  was due to  the fact                                                               
that  ATIA received  State funding  to  advertise tourism,  while                                                               
other industries  did not enjoy  similar support. He  opined that                                                               
the healthy tourism industry did not require State support.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Senator Huggins repeated his query  as to Mr. Thoma's involvement                                                               
in this issue.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
10:25:34 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Thoma   replied  that  he   was  Juneau  resident   and  was                                                               
"inundated"  with   ATIA  advertisements  on   television.  These                                                               
advertisements urged viewers  in Alaska to "go out  and enjoy the                                                               
outdoors," and he  considered them an inappropriate  use of State                                                               
funds.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
10:25:58 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Senator Olson  informed that  ATIA and  the tourism  industry had                                                               
positive  effects  in  his  community, and  asked  if  Mr.  Thoma                                                               
supported  the establishment  of a  task force  to determine  the                                                               
proper use of tourism funding.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
10:26:53 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Thoma had no comment or  opposition to the creation of a task                                                               
force,  but  reiterated  his opposition  to  the  proposed  70/30                                                               
funding ratio.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
10:27:07 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Senator Olson  asked how long  Ms. Mackey had been  involved with                                                               
the  tourism  industry,  and  if  she  recalled  any  information                                                               
regarding a tourism task force created 10 to 15 years prior.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
10:28:05 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Mackey replied  that she  had been  employed in  the tourism                                                               
industry  for  approximately  12  years,  and  had  an  extensive                                                               
marketing  background. She  shared that  the previous  task force                                                               
presented  the  "millennium plan"  to  the  legislature seven  to                                                               
eight years ago. That plan recommended  a change in the trends in                                                               
the  industry to  consolidate all  entities  involved in  tourism                                                               
marketing. The  State had been  operating under that  model since                                                               
it was proposed by the task force.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
10:29:13 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman asked for a  brief synopsis of Ms. Mackey's work                                                               
history.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Mackey   shared  that  her  background   was  in  marketing,                                                               
specifically  communications,  which  included  broadcasting  and                                                               
journalism.  She  was also  the  former  chair of  the  marketing                                                               
committee utilized by ATIA to create its statewide budget.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  asked if any  recent studies were  available to                                                               
demonstrate  the  fiscal return  for  the  State's investment  in                                                               
tourism advertising.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Mackey  responded  that  studies  were  conducted  with  the                                                               
cooperation  of   the  Department  of  Commerce,   Community  and                                                               
Economic Development,  and return  on investment  information had                                                               
been provided.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
10:30:58 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair   Stedman  requested   the  aforementioned   "return  on                                                               
investment" information.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
10:31:03 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Senator Thomas asked the composition of the ATIA board.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
10:31:22 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Mackey answered  that board members were elected  by the ATIA                                                               
membership,   and  those   positions  were   based  on   regional                                                               
representation.  Seats  on the  board  were  also designated  for                                                               
members  of the  cruise  industry to  ensure  its inclusion.  The                                                               
board   was  currently   comprised   of  23   members,  and   was                                                               
representative of many facets of the tourism industry in Alaska.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
10:32:13 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Senator Thomas  asked if seats  on the board were  designated for                                                               
each region of the state.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Mackey  affirmed.  Seats  were   designated  by  region,  in                                                               
addition to some "at large" seats.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
10:32:53 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Carlson-Von Dort  informed of  a table  distributed to  each                                                               
member  titled "The  Net  Return  to the  State  of Alaska  from:                                                               
Timber, Tourism,  Minerals, Commercial Fisheries" [copy  on file]                                                               
dated March 21, 2006.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
10:33:33 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman ordered the bill HELD in Committee.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                

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